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Far 2 Fabulous
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Joy Is An Inside Job with Cat Googe The Joy Queen
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Episode 121 : Joy Is An Inside Job with Cat Googe The Joy Queen
Joy has been marketed as something you get once life is perfectly arranged, but we’re not buying that anymore. We sit down with Cat Good, the Joy Queen, to talk about why joy is an inside job, how identity shapes what we think we’re “allowed” to claim, and why so many of us quietly shrink back even after we’ve done the hard thing.
Cat shares her path from primary school teacher to laughter yoga leader, including the lightning-bolt moment that made her realise she’d found her work. We unpack what laughter yoga actually is (spoiler: it’s not laughing in downward dog), why breath is essential for grounding, and how intentional laughter can support nervous system regulation. We also explore the science in plain English: lowering stress hormones, boosting endorphins, and the powerful social bonding that happens when a room starts laughing together.
The bigger thread running through it all is “living your 365”. We talk about the trap of waiting for weekends, holidays, or Christmas to feel alive, and how a simple daily practice of noticing can change your relationship with gratitude, resilience, and wellbeing. Cat also gets real about self-belief, making bold asks, and refusing to turn a “no” or silence into a story about your worth, plus where you can find her free monthly Joy Reset and her Juicy Joy hacks.
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Giggling Into The Topic Of Joy
SPEAKER_01Welcome to Forty Fabulous, touched by Julie and Catherine. Join us on a mission to embrace your fabulousness and redefine wellness. Get ready for some fightiness, inspiration, handy chat, and humour as we journey together towards empowered wellbeing. Let's dive in. Hello, hello, everybody, and welcome to this week's episode of the Far Too Fabulous podcast. This is not fair. I've now got two people that I'm trying not to look at here. One on Zoom and Julie next to me. I swear they're trying to make me laugh. But uh I I think there is literally no better way to start a podcast about joy by giggling and laughing, do you?
SPEAKER_03Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01I'm gonna get on with it and we're just gonna introduce our very fabulous, far too fabulous guest, Cat Good, who is I mean, I mean you can tell us. Did you give yourself the crown of Joy Queen, or did somebody else give this to you? How did you become the royalty of joy? And the royalty of joy. And who who are you, Cat? And where do where'd you come from?
SPEAKER_03Oh, I love that. I feel like uh I feel like I'm on blind dates.
SPEAKER_01Well, you never know your luck.
SPEAKER_03If I play my cards right, darling. Well, this could go a whole other way, this conversation. I'm gonna bring it back. I love that, the the royalty, the joy royalty. It's an interesting one. So I do title now as the joy queen, and it often comes with comedy, um, comedy jazz hands. I don't know why, it's just some kind of like little thing.
SPEAKER_01I've I feel like it should have those.
SPEAKER_03You can't be the joy queen and like have a static body. Do you know what I mean? It's like the joy queen.
unknownLovely.
SPEAKER_03Um, and it and it came about because anyone that is a business owner that's listening will know that you go through a really funny thing of like, what do I call myself? I can see lots of nodding from you.
SPEAKER_01I've still I've still not worked out what I am, so yeah, totally.
SPEAKER_03It's any anyone that's ever been there, it's like I I think really fully resonates. And so I tried many different titles, and I was in um a coaching program, and someone said to me, Oh, you're the queen of joy, and I thought, oh, I might be a joy queen, and it's quite funny because I didn't put the the in straight away because that felt really bold. So I just thought, oh, I'll be a joy queen because there's loads of them around, and I'll just be I'll just be one of them and I'll just kind of blend and all the things. And I just thought, oh God, I'm not here to blend, I'm just gonna have. And this is the ex-teacher in me. I was like, I'm gonna put the definite article in. I'm gonna, I'm gonna claim the the and in a way of I'm having that title, but so everyone else can have it too. So so it came with the energy of not, oh, it's mine, and like I'm just gonna have it. It was
Claiming The Joy Queen Title
SPEAKER_03like, I'm taking this for every single other person so that they understand that actually we get to be our own kings and queens of joy through the choices we make and the habits we build, and like and just seeing ourselves in our gloriousness, if you like.
SPEAKER_01I love that you've taken the title for all of us, like it's a permission, isn't it?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, absolutely, you know, and I think so often, and this is why we do this dance when we take that leap and be a business own owner, it's like it's not for the faint-hearted, right? It is a oh a wealth of all sorts of different things going on, and and like deciding what to call yourself is a tiny piece of the puzzle, but it can feel really big. And I think if we're not a business owner, where we relate to that is actually, gosh, identity, yeah, you know, like who we are and how we show up and what we get to do are massive things, aren't they? And I think sometimes we just don't claim our space because it's like who am I, you know, like how dare I put that V on the front of it? Yeah, you know, and we can we can put that in so many different things in in life, whether it's like, you know, like we've both Catherine and I have both we've both run marathons, right? So it's like it's about not being afraid to take up the space. And and then I think in lots of these things, like I say, it's like claiming it for others, then it sends a ripple of like, oh, it's safe for you to do the same, you know, whether it's like you want to be a joy queen or go run a marathon or take some time for yourself, you know, that can feel radical, you know, and and it really shouldn't, should it? So it's in whatever iteration. Money, you should say that.
SPEAKER_01Money, you should say that. We have just so in the I don't know how this is gonna work out with recording-wise, so we might be recording like completely confusing all listeners. However, we are running a do nothing challenge in our far too fabulous Facebook group, which the timer recording is actually gonna be next week. I suspect by the time this comes out, we may have already done it. However, all of the videos are gonna be in there, so don't miss out. Come and do it later on if you're hearing about this later. But that's exactly we just like, yeah, uh do nothing challenge.
SPEAKER_02How radical is that? A what to sit with yourself and have time with yourself, isn't it? It's all about that nervous system regulation. How very dare we. Yeah, I feel like we should sing the one and only now. Not often, but I mean I'm game.
SPEAKER_03A bit of chesney. Who knew?
SPEAKER_02We could really claim that word the thing, wouldn't we?
SPEAKER_01Because we yeah, we could sing that and claim it. The one and only. As you were saying that and you were talking about marathons, I would still find it like you're talking about claiming, I'd still find it really difficult to say I'm a marathon runner and I've done two now. Or I'm a triathlete and I've done many more than two of those. But I still find that a really weird identity to claim. But I mean, it's true.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I don't know. What's that all about then? Who may need to unpick this with you? Identity issue.
SPEAKER_03I think it's a really interesting one, right? And when I talk about developing like goals and habits for us to exercise change, that's one of the key things I kind of hook on to. It's like people might say, Oh, I I want to run a marathon, but really, actually, the habit is to be a marathon runner because otherwise it's like, oh, I do the thing and like, oh, like, will I survive it and will I fall apart on all the things? So you have absolutely got that identity of, you know, I'm a marathon runner. There's something, there's there's a piece missing there that is, you know, it's acceptance and allowance, so often, isn't it, when we take up the space and say who we are. So I think where we don't feel like we're fully owning it, then that like there's there's a little light shining there going, okay, what am I not accepting there? You know, like you're definitely a marathon runner, you know.
SPEAKER_01I felt, as you were saying that, I felt like it gave me the what's the word, like excuse, opportunity to kind of shrink back again. Like I've kind of come forward, I've gone ta-da, I could do this great thing, but it's okay, I'm gonna come back into the safety of a of a of a part runner rather than a marathon runner.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and and this is the thing, I think we often will just be asking that question in ourselves is like, is it enough, right? Have I done enough to like earn this title, this thing, this whatever it is? And and again, like we were just saying before, it just comes back to permission. Like, give yourself permission and just have it, claim it, own it.
SPEAKER_01You know, exactly, yeah. Because like, who's gonna give us this permission? Who's gonna come along with their magic wander going, you are a marathon runner, you are a triathlete.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I'm just intrigued. Like when you had your first child and you were a mum, were you not a mum until you had your third child?
SPEAKER_01I was just a very tired mum like that. Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, I took that identity on. I think isn't that interesting? But I was aiming for that identity. I think that I probably wouldn't have felt me. I wanted to be a mum from like the word go. So I was like ready to embrace that. I don't know, maybe I just didn't think it was possible that I could run a marathon. Maybe I've still maybe I still can't believe I
Identity And Permission To Take Space
SPEAKER_01actually did that. Although we went up to the London Marathon on Sunday and it was just epic.
SPEAKER_02I'm surprised you've got a voice actually when I saw some of your video. I didn't Monday, no, no, and Claire's only just got her voice back. Yeah. Um anyway, tangent.
SPEAKER_01We only always so talk about tangents. How did you cut become from teacher to joy queen?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so I in my kind of last decade of teaching, I was doing a lot of seeking, like looking for you know, other things to do because that wasn't like filling me up anymore, particularly. Um, and so I explored lots of different well-being things. So I definitely, you know, when you like you things start to come to you because you've you've started kind of seeking. So I wasn't looking for laughter yoga, absolutely not, but I'd I trained in different things to bring into my teaching, to support kids that I was teaching, and myself and my family. But I still hadn't found the thing that was particularly ticking the boxes. And then in 2018, we had this like big world being day. Uh, we were part of a massive um big academy trust, and like 800 people descended on this world being day, and there were loads of different modalities, people doing kind of um drumming to um you know self-empowerment workshops, and then there was this thing called Laugh to Yoga, and I was like, wow, I'd never heard of it, had no clue what it was, read the like the tiny little thing, and I just thought, oh, that feels like a bit fun, a bit mental, a bit a bit of me. Um me, and uh and um and I went and did it, and I basically had like in my head when I pictured this moment, there's like really dramatic music playing, there's like you know, a big kind of orchestra, and there's fireworks and lights and everything going off because basically in that workshop I had this big like woo, like awakening, and I went, Oh my gosh, this is the thing. And I I like I felt like my body was like really activated during it, and I was in this euphoric hive for like at least 48 hours, you know. Like I remember having lunch with some of my friends, and they went, What are you on? I went, Oh, I've just had this insane experience and I'm gonna become a lofty yoga leader. Because I ran up to the person, I went, When's your next training? Put me on it, like this is this is the thing. And I just, yeah, it like it literally was this pivotal moment where I just went, it hit me like this big thunderbolt, really. And I just went, Wow, now what do I do with that?
SPEAKER_01What a great story! It's like a movie scene, isn't it?
SPEAKER_03Well, like I say, in my head, I mean, in reality, it was in like a year two classroom in a uh in a primary school with all the chairs and tables and yeah, do you know what I mean? With a load of you know, stressed out teaching stuff or lying on the floorically, jumping around and giggling, you know. Um, but like like I say, when I when I tell that to you, like all this stuff kicks off in my visuals and auditory because it was like it was such a pivotal moment. If I hadn't gone to that workshop, would I be here doing this right now? Who knows? You know, I believe the things find you. So, you know, like it, like I feel it would have found me in another way, but I I don't know when, right? But like in that moment in October 2018, like Laughter Yoga went, here I am, darling.
SPEAKER_01And I went, Wow, where have you been? And you skipped off into the sunset hand in hand.
SPEAKER_03We were like literally, it was like this big love affair, and I was like, Oh my gosh, where have you been all my life, Laughter Yoga?
SPEAKER_02I want to know if you were that fun, silly teacher to begin with, anyway.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so like fun and laughter has always been something that just kind of is in me. I like to gig off at school. I was a bit of a clown, which um got me into trouble at an all-girls grammar school, you know, because that was like not the done thing. I liked a bit of a laugh and a joke. So yeah, that kind of that energy in my teaching was definitely there. And I think that's where I started to feel that um there was something else for me because I felt like I couldn't fully be who I want to be in the constraints of the education system.
SPEAKER_02Well, you've got to be sensible at school, haven't you? Sensible clothes, sensible, everything is too sensible at school.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you know, and and there's spaces and places where absolutely it's less so, but you don't have that freedom and free flow that you have in like in a different setting. Do you know what I mean? And I think essentially when we're, you know, and this is for everything that we do in life, when when things aren't feeling like a great fit, like we feel it, don't we? We feel it in our energy, we feel it um in our mood, we feel it in how our relationships are going, we feel it in like the words that are spilling around here and then falling out of here. So whether that's like a job or an outgrowing friendship or something that you kept on doing because you've always been doing it, but then you're like, Why am I still doing, you know, why am I still like going to do this thing that I was doing like 20 years ago and I'm still doing the thing, you know? Sometimes we just don't check in with ourselves, you know, we just keep doing the thing because that's what we've always always done. But you know, like we have this one life here, right? So, you know, like if things are starting to feel a bit off and energetically stretched, then it's like, okay, like what do I need to look at then? You know, and and that's what laughter yoga made me do. It's like, hello.
SPEAKER_01So when you went to laughter yoga school, what did what did you learn? What did so for anybody that doesn't know what laughter yoga is or has never come across this, what what did you learn at laughter yoga school?
SPEAKER_03Well, in that workshop, what I learned very quickly is Laughter
Radical Rest And The Do Nothing Challenge
SPEAKER_03Yoga is not yoga as we would imagine.
SPEAKER_01People are thinking, what we could do this howl with laughter in downward dog. How does this work?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, exactly, exactly. You know, because things like goat yoga and like kitten yoga, it's yoga with the thing, right? So in our heads, our heads would go, well, it's yoga pose is like downward dog, and oh, we'll do salute to the sun, and we'll just like really laugh, right? And I just it would be so hard to do that.
SPEAKER_01I don't know, you've not seen me do yoga, it is quite funny.
SPEAKER_03I yeah, I do bring the lulls to like normal yoga, but yeah, like it's it's essentially it's not what our heads our heads would picture ourselves doing all the yoga poses and laughing. What the yoga part is the breath, and it's really important because if we just laugh continuously without the breath for grounding, then actually instead of it helping us regulate, it's really dysregulating. And the essence of laughter yoga is its use as a tool for self-regulation and for shifting, releasing, um, like really grounding whilst really enlivening. So it like it delivers on so many different levels. And what I learn is in the laughter yoga school, as you call it, so it's like it's a weekend training, right? Essentially, what it is is you get taught the foundations, but actually the school, the learning is then what you choose to then do with it, like many things that we learn, you know, like we're we're given like the the fundamentals, but how we then want to explore and learn and go uh deeper with it is down to us. So as soon as I trained, I was like, right, I am gonna do like record myself every day, 40 days of laughter, different exercises, so I can start to really, really embed this as a habit. So, like my like the school is still on. Do you know what I mean? It's like I feel like I'm in constant laughter yoga school because if you want to go deep with it, you've got to be prepared to bring the depth and do the work, right? So it's been it's been a really like interesting, like almost eight years, which kind of blows my mind actually when I think how quickly that's gone, you know.
SPEAKER_01That's really interesting, isn't it? The contrast almost it feels like almost a juxtaposition between uh joy and uh going deep. Do you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but you know, like I like this is a thing with joy. I think joy can be super deep and it can be like super light, and I think like the best gift we can give ourselves is that joy is like everything and everywhere and in in however it feels for us, and it's super personal and personable. And I think when we decide to have a relationship with joy, like we get to create what it gets to look like, and I think like the like a simple shift towards it is that it can be like super simple and it can be like like fully giving from that tiny, tiny, tiny simplistic thing. And I think the narrative we can have is that it maybe needs to be bigger and wilder and more exciting for it to feel like you know, and I think the world we live in has a lot to blame for that, you know, with social media controlling so many lives of like, you know, I'd only enjoy if I'm like laying on this lovely yacht and and the sun's shining, and I've got this really great bikini on, and there's music playing, and someone's stroking my hair, and you know, and I look like everybody else on Instagram, yeah. But it but it but like it's nonsense, isn't it? And this is, you know, like this is what a lot of our well everyone's I was gonna say our young people, everyone is uh being foisted upon, but like my my concern is always for like gosh, you know what a world to grow up in, right? Because you know, I'm a 70s kid who like you know is just knocking about um doing whatever, and it didn't matter if their mum had given them a really dodgy kind of bulk um thing with a with a bowl, like literally with a bowl on it, um, because no one would take a photograph, you know.
SPEAKER_01This is just yeah. We were out there, you would kind of had to make your own joy, didn't you? You didn't have to rely on somebody else to to beam it through a screen at you.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and I and I think this is this is the act, right? Claim it for how it actually really is,
From Teacher To Laughter Yoga
SPEAKER_03because I think joy is kind of misnamed and missuld in all those iterations that I said, you know, where it has to be like amazing and and everything has to be right and perfect, and you know, and it's just it's just so ridiculous because if we decide to name joy to be that, then what happens is we miss a ton of it, you know, because it can only happen in these moments, in these particular conditions on these particular occasions, and then having an occasion-based relationship with joy means like we we miss the everyday, you know. As we rec we're recording, like the sun is shining, you know, like we we can look out if you've got a garden, looking out your garden at leaves dancing and like the sun jumping off the leaves, and you know, like the recently mowed grass, or like if you've got word and how the the the light is on the word in your like there's so many different little pieces that we can look at that we can typically just walk around going, Oh, I'm not gonna recognise that, I'm not gonna recognise that because I'm waiting for the bigger moment when I, you know, I've got this big party, or there's a wedding. It's like Joy can literally be, she's at your fingertips if if you let her in, you know. And I think, yeah, that that that's the shift with joy.
SPEAKER_02It's definitely an inside job, isn't it? Again, it's like how you perceive things and and how you want things to be. So, like I have in the morning, my husband always brings me up a cup of tea, and I just think that is so lovely. It always brings me that feeling of joy. The fact that he's bought me a cup of tea, and then I'm lucky that I can see the sea from my bedroom. So I open up my curtains, and you're quite right. This morning, when I did the weather's lovely, the sea looks blue because the sky is blue. I can see the sea from my sitting in my bed with my cup of tea, and I do have these little moments where I think, wow, this is pretty incredible. What a great way to start the day. So, but that's because I'm aware of that, and I choose to be aware of it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. I like intention, isn't it? You know, and and I think that the piece that we can miss is we're busy, busy, busy. And I and I don't think many people can escape the busy, right? It's a very real, it's it's a truism, it's not, it's not like a kind of made up thing in our heads, but you know, the trouble is if we Just keep in the busy, like we miss out on those moments you just described. So, what I think is really important is like, even if we just do it for a couple of minutes, notice, just say to yourself as a as a mantra, you know, what do I get to notice today? Because otherwise, you know, that little scene, as you as you described that, I had a lovely visual of you in your bed, like sitting there with your hot cup of tea, like the tea's giving you warmth, you know, and you're looking out and you're and you're you're being in the moment. And if we don't allow ourselves to be in the moment, what we're doing is we're just waiting for moments. And and this is this is why I talk about living your 365, right? Not waiting for weekends and holidays, or you know, like a girl's night, or you know, all of these are beautiful, they're amazing, they're beautiful, gorgeous things that gosh, you know, grateful, grateful, grateful. However, you know, they're pockets, aren't they? And I just think, you know, pairing it back to what do I get to notice, that's when we are living in like the precious gift of life. And we all know that we don't know about our lives. We we have there's there's nothing set in stone for any of us. So gratitude that we're here and and really appreciating the everyday. And I'm not not bypassing awful things happen happening by saying this at all. I totally honour and um understand that, you know, through my lived experience and witnessing other people. So this is not a kind of let's just be, you know, positive and joyful, and you know, like because you can have a really horrible thing happening, and actually you can still look out your window and feel that cup of tea, and actually, my belief through my lived experience, if I'm feeling in that energy and there's something awful happening here, that's when I need it the most.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's so true, and it is a learned behaviour, isn't it? It's a learned behaviour, and I mean there is a lot of science around the impact on the body from laughing and what it does with regards to lowering stress, the vagus nerve, healing. There's so many amazing links with laughing and being joyful versus all the stressful side of things and and how that brings your your vibration down and the impact on even at cellular level, it's fascinating.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and and I think when when life is feeling compromised, um, like joy can feel really hard to reach, can't it? You know, and I think like anyone listening, or the three of us on the podcast, like I I'm sure you know, can fully relate, right? So this is why I think having a joy practice, having a laugh to practice, and again, like where I say joy, like trying to laugh when things are tricky, absolutely it can be challenging. But if we have a sustained practice where we decide every day, you know, what what like I was saying, what do I get to notice? You know, it's like we're really feeling into the energy of gratitude. If we feel into gratitude, the more grateful we are, the more joy we feel. So then they kind of they pump each other up, you know, because joy is activated here, it's like, oh, so what can I be grateful for? Oh, that the gratitude like is expanded. Now I'm feeling a bit more joy. So, like, even if just deciding like like every day I'm gonna notice one thing that puts a smile on my face, you know, like like I always think like language is really important. So find the language that works for you. If joy feels like, oh, you know, people can have a bit of a that feels a bit too much for me, like like find the language, you know. That's why why I say things like put a smile on my face. Sometimes that feels more accessible, right? Um particularly when we're feeling like compromised by stuff in our lives, you know. But but finding that one thing that will build a habit of you noticing, then that that one thing, like that might increase to two things, you know, a month or two months down the line. I think the biggest thing to think is um it is not to try and just throw yourself into shifting things. It's like it's okay to go gently, like give yourself a ton of love for whatever is going on. But if we find like the micro, like really kind of contribute to the macro in my experience. So if we can like try and have like a micro habit of looking for the joy and noticing the joy, the things that put a smile on our face, like allowing ourselves to like feel into laughter more, be intentional with laughter, what's gonna happen is that will like contribute to the macro, which is us enjoying our lives because isn't that a wonderful like energy to get to? Because like how lucky are we to be living, breathing, and on this planet, you know?
SPEAKER_01Isn't I mean isn't that the entire point to enjoy to enjoy yourself while we're here, not to just sort of drag our sorry asses through life. I could so feel I know people that kind of like almost hold their breath until their one summer holiday or hold their breath until Christmas. Like people go nuts about the joy of Christmas,
What Laughter Yoga Actually Is
SPEAKER_01and it feels for me very anti-Christmas, aren't you? This is one of the things that I I don't enjoy about Christmas is it feels so forced. Do you know what I mean? Like people are like, I'm gonna just this is I'm gonna enjoy myself for two weeks and then I'm gonna save myself for the other weeks until I get back around to it again.
SPEAKER_03I am I I I I literally I thought that I was quite alone in this, right? Because I know there's I know there's people that don't like Christmas, and it's not that, right? It's a very different thing. I it's so performative, isn't it? And and this is the thing of like it it's the holiday energy of like, well, I'm gonna be really happy because it's Christmas. I'm gonna be really happy because I'm on my holiday. And you know, we've got 52 weeks in the year, we've got 365 days in the year, you know, and I guess I I I am 54 next month, and I feel really bloody grateful that I've got to 54. I don't know, like if I'll have 55 or 56 or 80 or 100 or you know, or 70 or I have no idea. So it would, I think it would be really shit if I just went, oh, do you know what? Uh in October, I've got a long weekend away. Yay! And if I wasn't gonna be here next year, I guess a big driver for me is we often read stories, don't we, where um somebody's life uh has changed for them because they've got, say, like a life-limiting illness or whatever. And it's like, now I'm gonna go and do the thing. So I guess like one of my mantras in my head um is to kind of live like I'm dying, if that makes sense, you know, because because we all know we're gonna die, we just don't know when, right? So I wanna live before I die. And in so doing, it's like, well, okay, you know, it's not just about like that mentalness of Christmas where it's like, oh, let's all bring the joy, it's like, no, can we can we not all just be really nice to each other anyway? Can we not?
SPEAKER_01With that as well, it's all it still feels as though it's like circumstantial joy or you need to tick the box because if they don't have the right table decorations that match the door decorations, that all that sort of stuff, then it's not good enough. And we can't be as joyous about it because it it doesn't look like I don't know, like Instagram says it should look what something. I mean, I am the Grinch, but you're a very smiley, happy Grinch though. I am very smiley happy Grinch all the rest of the year.
SPEAKER_03Well, and and and I would kind of I would relabel that it's just it's an energetic mismatch for you, and and that's like and I really resonate with that because I'm like, can we not like enjoy being alive today? And yes, Christmas is gonna happen and holidays will happen and birthdays and whatever. Yeah, like this is that whole thing about like just really horrible things are gonna happen throughout life. It it's just it's just one of those things, right? It's we're we're we're all the same in our lived experience of like shit, things are gonna happen, and and we we just have to do our best to navigate them. And so that's why I'm very conscious of like as much as possible, and I and and I'm gonna say this as a caveat of it's not easy, right? It's like you know, like we're all works in progress wherever we are with this, but as much as possible to be like, okay, what feels good today? Like there's an absolute like car crash going on over here for me personally, or whatever, like where can I find some light? Where can I find some goodness? And if it's in like you know, the poster behind me, like the colour pink, like you know, I love that pink and yellow. If I can just look at that colour and go, oh, that's gonna give me a bit of a lift, then that's great. And and it's and and that's not like you know, that's not that Instagram life that people are pushing of like, oh, you know, all our ducks in the row and everything polished and it's like beige and clean and tidy. Yeah, let's let's let's find like the simple things are not simplistic, right? They're not simplistic, and I think that's the rewiring that's really important, and actually that's where me as a mum, when you know my girls are 18 and 20, growing up in this fairly bonkers world, in my opinion, and trying to kind of like help them ground into you know, this getting away from that fakery, I think is really important, and trying to just pair things back, pair things back to that simplicity because it has a knock-on effect of how we see ourselves.
SPEAKER_01And it's you're right, it's not easy. Like I talk about meditation very similarly, that you you need to like it's simple, you think you've got to sit there still and breathe and try not to think is is probably what people conjure up about meditation. However, it's not easy, and you want people to be able to practice before they really bloody need it. So do have this as a regular practice, like you were saying about you know, looking up, looking out, feeling gratitude as a regular thing. So when the shit hits the fan, you're quite good at it. And it's a and it's a habit.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and I and I think just be really kind to yourself with it, you know, if um like meditation and your brains going, that's okay, you know, like that that's just how it was that day. If if you wake up and you go, oh laughter yoga can just like do one job or gone, you know what I mean? That's okay, you know. I think like being kind to the the humanness that you're being in in that moment is really uh essential, really, because otherwise what we do is we go, oh god, we beat ourselves up again, and then we have more of the I'm not good enough. But if we if we as much as possible try and habituate stuff that's gonna look after us, then we'll feel better around when the things don't feel so good for us to do, if that makes sense. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Makes total sense. And when you were talking about like not waiting, I don't know about you, but my Instagram feed is full of marathon stuff at the moment. Like absolutely full of all of the all of the stories. I'm there crying as people are picking up other marathon runners and dragging them across. And the two people that sprung to mind just now one have you seen the guy that ran Lands Marathon with the fridge on his back. Yes, who he's got, who's got who he doesn't know. He's like a ticking time bomb, isn't he, at the moment? And his eventures are gonna take him. But I mean, so he's you know, he's got that oomph, and there's the other guy have you seen that's got brain cancer and is trying to raise as much money as he can through sponsorship. So all he wants you to do is follow him. He doesn't want you to give him money, and so then with his following and his influence, he is he's getting money for Marie Curie and all these sorts of places to fund research and stuff, and like he he he says, like I can't, I'm not gonna be able to run for very much longer. This is it's a it's a terminal brain cancer that he has, and so I look at those people and I've I feel like I want their I want their energy without the ticking time bomb. Do you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and I but this is the shift point, I think, and this is what I get really um passionate about in the work I do is don't let the ticking time bomb be the reason why you go and write that book or um start that business or run a marathon or you know, whatever the thing that maybe you keep on going, oh, you know, I'm not gonna do that thing, you know, and and it's and it's honestly I look at people like that. The fridge guy saw that interview, he's doing 33
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SPEAKER_03marathons over 33 days as well, isn't he? You know, he is like such an inspirational person. Um, and he's like, and this is his lived, you know, his lived existence, right? So he he's gonna do such a lot for um awareness and showing other people what's possible. But for those that don't have a life limiting condition that we know of um yet or whatever, or if ever, I I feel like that's a really big invitation to like just well, just freaking do the thing then, right? Because there isn't a barrier in the way. And I mean, I those stories you shared, like, oh my gosh, humans are amazing, you know. Like you always hear stories like this in marathon season because it's it's quite often lots of people with big stuff going on will go and do something like wild like that, and I think that testament to human spirit, and so like the thing for us to remember is like we can do these really big hard things that we our narrative, our lovely inner voice that can be like less than helpful at times, likes to go, or like who are you to do that? Or yeah, it's probably got oh no, it's not for you, or you know, all the lovely things it loves to like deliver, deliver, deliver, which just keeps you sitting there, you know. If I'd listen listened to my inner voice, I wouldn't have resigned from teaching age 49 in the middle of bloody COVID, you know. Yeah, well, yeah, yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like, like my inner voice would have said, Yeah, you need to stay in this regular payment. Uh, who knows what's going to happen with the world and dah-la. But I if I if I don't do it, then I'm just always gonna be saying, but I didn't do the thing, you know, and that kind of that flash forward to whoever, whatever age I'll be when I'm no longer on this planet, like I want her to go, well done, love. Do you know what I mean? You went and followed that thing, and who knows what's gonna happen, you know. And this is a thing we can, and and and and this is a shift point, I think, is when you've got something put in front of you that goes, your world is turned upside down, you stop thinking about the where you're going to, you I think you get very much in the here and now. And when that isn't happening for you, you get really caught up in the oh yeah, but what about when I'm 60, or what about when I'm 45, or what about when I and that ends up being a massive life blocker.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So so that's the work.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's like the safety blanket, isn't it? When you has just been pulled from underneath your feet if you've got something like that. Whereas if if you don't have that, if there's not a threat to your to your life, basically, you just want to stay safe all the time. But it's really interesting, isn't it? Because it is, it's a perspective, it's a choice all of the time. And that safety isn't really there.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and I guess it's probably important to say is like, you know, if if safety feels like where you want to be and there isn't something that you're yearning to do, amazing, you know, that's great. You know, it's like we don't all have to go and do X, Y, and Z. But if there's that feeling, that yearning inside, it's like, okay, well, like, what's it gonna take to do that thing then? Because it's Bronny Ware, isn't it? The palliative care nurse. I've not read her book, The Five Regrets of the Dying, but I've listened to the podcast with her and Ron and Chatterjee. And one of the key regret regrets is all around happiness, it's not about um, you know, like uh like none of it's about money, car, house, all of that crap, you know. It's about your fulfillment. And I think like one of them is like, I wish I'd allowed myself to be happier. So this is why I think it's important for us to have a conversation with ourselves about, and I I love to use the word joy because for me, like like happiness, happy, great. Joy to me, joy is like this big fanfare, like it's dancing, it's expansive, and it's like this like ah energy of yes, and like you were saying earlier, Julie, it's like it's it's the inner work, right? So I think, yeah, like allowing yourself to find your joy, whatever that looks like, whether there is this yearning that you can feel, like you know, it's a radical act of self-leadership, really. That's yeah, that's what it feels like to me.
SPEAKER_02When somebody comes across you in like because you've done Happy Place in Glastonbury, and I'm going to Happy Place this year, I'm very excited. But you've got you, you know, you're in front of a load of strangers, many of which maybe haven't done anything like this before. They're amongst strangers and kind of like letting go and laughing. It seems like it's something you do in your safe space with the people that know you rather than complete strangers. So say that a person's just turned up at this thing that you're hosting, what actually happened?
SPEAKER_03That's such a great um question and so true. Um, because we're so used to laughing conditionally, like because someone says something funny or we're watching some comedy um and that kind of thing. Whereas laughter yoga is all about unconditional laughter, and where that kind of dredges up lots of like, you know, like bum clench kind of like moments of like, oh god, do I really have to? Is because it's it's reliant on you. The key theme for me is to teach people to self-resource as opposed to outsourcing stuff. I think we've got very reliant on outsourcing, and laughter is it's your inner resource, it's innate, like you're born with it, put babies like toddlers, they're like like yeah, like in. Yeah, they're like literally in an unbridled joy. But as adults, we've been through a ton of life and different lived experiences. So whilst we can laugh at comedy or a shared experience, like laughing for no specific reason other than someone is guiding you and inviting you to use your laughter powerfully can feel uncomfortable, right? It can feel um a little bit disarming, you know, because vulnerability can come up, you know, like um, am I am I laughing the right way? Is my laugh okay? You know, am I laughing long enough, loud enough? All these little things all around the enoughness of laughter. And so it's really important. Um, and this is where I was saying earlier to you both about like laughter yoga school as being like my learning, like it's really important as a facilitator that I kind of I always envisage like my arms, like I don't know if you this is going way back, inspector gadget, you know, with the really long arms, right? Yeah. So like they're literally holding everyone. So it might be that we're in uh, you know, a festival tent and it holds, say, 50 people. It might be I'm on stage at say happy place and there's 250 people and there's no walls and no cover, right? So you've got to really think carefully about how to hold those people. So, like you said, um Julie, about like feeling safe, right? Safe to be seen, safe to be heard, safe to let go. And so I always like I I I always gently guide people in. I think anyone facilitating anything, particularly when it's like associated with quite big energy, which obviously the laughter is, and the you know, the yoga part, the breath is you know, your karma energy, but like the laughter energy is big. It's important, I feel, and this is how I deliver it is we we ease in, right? And then what happens is everyone starts kind of rippling and feeding and bouncing off each other. And a really helpful kind of thing to know is that your body doesn't differentiate between you like creating the laughter. Um, some people might say, like, I like to say creating as opposed to forcing or fake laughter, right? So creating intentional laughter that maybe doesn't feel quite your own natural laugh just yet. Your body doesn't know. So what happens is your stress hormone. Starts to lower because this laughter is occurring, and your happy hormones, your endorphins, uh, and when you're doing it collectively, oxytocin, the hormone
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SPEAKER_03of love, connection, social bonding, um, they start to like release and dance around your body. So then what happens because your physiology is changing, your stress levels lowering, your mood starting to lift, you start to fall more naturally into your laughter. So it becomes a more natural experience. And like some people come into the sessions and they're straight in their natural laughter, you know, that there's a whole kind of mixture of how people will be. So what happens? It just becomes this like beautiful blend of very kind of like drawing in energy of laughter. So, like by the time we've kind of come to the end of it, it's just like everything is shifted in the room. People's faces look different, their eyes are like sparkling and wide. There's like this kind of like glow on their faces. Yeah, it like it's like the it's it's a palpable shift in how everyone is from when they first came in.
SPEAKER_01It's amazing. Imagine they go from their bum cheeks aching because they're all clenched up to their cheek cheeks aching.
SPEAKER_03It is, it's a full cheek journey. I'd never thought of that in that way. From chin to cheek. Perhaps I need that as part of a tagline. You wait. I'm gonna be bringing that into some festival sessions this year. I'm sure I will.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think that needs to be done. I've been Inspector Gadget theme tune in my mom's.
SPEAKER_03And you know, I've never I've never um like done it in that analogy, but that's always the visual. And then as I was describing it, like Inspector Gadget popped in and went, okay, I'm gonna run with it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, go gadget arms all around everybody. I love that. What was performing at Glastonbury and at a happy place like so Glasgow, right?
SPEAKER_03Glasgow, like was a pro she calls it Glasgow because she's in there. She's in Glastow. It was it was a proper pinch me moment because in January 2020 I was at an event uh run by Susie Ashworth, mutual friend of ours, called The One. It was the first time she'd done it. And in our journals, we were writing, and I was a I was a primary school teacher then who had been uh practicing laughter yoga in community halls, it just like little kind of like bite-sized bits, basically, whilst I was trying to work out what on earth I was gonna do with it, right? Um, and I was at this event going, right, so I'm I'm I'm gonna be a business owner and deliver, and I had no Scooby-Doo what I was doing. But we had to write this like, What do you want to do in five years? And one of the things was I wrote Sharing Laughter Yoga at Glastonbury, and I was like, Whoa, that's bold, because I'm a teacher and I've just been at my community halls, and I was doing things like uh turning up at the community hall, even when no one no one had booked on, and my husband would go, Why are you going there? And I was going, Well, because someone might just like they just might rock up and I pay for the hall, so I'd go and I'd sit in the hall for half an hour and and and by half an hour I was like, Oh, no one is coming, and then I'd come home. So, so that's where I was at. Do you know what I mean? But I was like, Yeah, but I can absolutely I can nail Glastonbury in five years, and um, and of course, like you can't just say these things and write them down, they don't just then suddenly like happen by magic. I wrote I wrote an email to um the healing field at Glastonbury in 2022, so it took me, took me two years to then write the email because I was like, oh dear, this, you know, that was my bum clench, like, oh like can I really do this thing? But in between, we'd obviously had COVID happening all around the world, which gosh, you know, there's nothing like something awful like that to do a huge perspective shift with many things, and um and I remember watching uh obviously Joe Wicks was massive, wasn't he? We used him at home, but also in school, he was like he was quite a lifeline to help us like work with keyworker children and stuff, and I then was quite curious about him because I didn't really know anything about him, and I watched a reel of him in a park in the rain in Richmond Park, rocking up on his own, and and no one coming to his sessions. I was like, oh yeah, yeah, I get that. And then he's jumping out of a helicopter somewhere in the Middle East, and there's thousands of people ready to do a workout with him, and he was landing on this stage, and I was like, I can do that, I can do that for laughter yoga, and it was a real kind of um moment of me going, right, still don't know how to do it, you know. Then it was like, well, you better start putting some of these wheels in motion, then, because you're seeing like what you could do for your business and for laughter yoga enjoy what he has done for fitness, then like you need to get your ass into gear, you know. So I applied to the healing field and they sent me a lovely little message going, Oh, we've got someone doing that, but we'll keep you on file. And I was like, Oh, okay, so if they've already got someone, well, like perhaps, and I just parked Glastow over there, and then what happened is I trained again in Laughter Yoga to again to with someone else to deepen my experience, but part of his training was I'll take you to Glasgow, and I was like, amazing, because he has a Glasgow, there's a few, there's three people doing Laughter Yoga in Glasgow. There's the healing field, can't remember somewhere else, and then there's theatre and circus, and he takes a team. So I actually got to go to Glasgow as part of his team in 2024. There was a group of six of us in the theatre and circus um field, and I was like, Oh my god, this is the moment. And then, bearing in mind it was like a five-year window, in March 2025, the healing field emailed me and went, Oh, would you like to um come and teach Laughter Yoga in the healing field? And I went, Yes, what did I do? And it was on the 30th anniversary of Laughter Yoga that I received the email. And I was like, I just read it, and then they went, Oh, really glad we remembered you because we kept your um your details on file from your application three years ago. And what I learned from going to Glasgow in 2024, um, Joe, um, the uh Love to Yogi who who's in there, he's been there 20 years, right? And he's not ready to hand the baton. You hand the baton at Glastow, right? And the person that was in the healing field who I also connected with, she'd been doing it for five years, the person before her, 15, 20 years. So getting the Glasgow gig is kind of unicorn poo. Do you know what I mean? So I was like, oh my god, they've asked me. And I was I remember such a thing about this kind of like, oh my god, what do I need to do? And they were just like, just are you free? And I'd already put Glastonbury in my Google Calendar because I'd decided that Joe would take me back. And now he
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SPEAKER_03doesn't necessarily do that, right? But I just said, Oh, I'm now I'm now the kind of person that shares laughter yoga at Glastonbury. So it turns out that kind of marker was for me to then get the healing field. So that was what I wrote down in 2020, because that was the visualization. Like the healing field is the match for my energy, it was gonna always be my own gig. And so, yeah, that was like that real kind of like, whoa, you know, big stuff can happen. We can manifest amazing things, but we've got to take the action to do the stuff, right? So if that had been offered to me in 2022, like would that have felt too much? Maybe, who knows, right? I have spent that time like really like honing my craft and putting myself in spaces that have felt uncomfortable to start, you know, getting on stages in a room full of people earning shit tons of money. So I'm going, oh my god, what are they gonna think of me? Or like, yeah, like stages at happy place or or wherever it is. So it's taken the action to create the momentum that then led to that point. Do you know what I mean? So yeah.
SPEAKER_01In the uh in the kids field. So I was a Glastonbury brat. We used to go like months before the festival and just be on site with with just all the people that were there creating it. And it's just it's definitely my happy place. I did not know this. I've never been. Did you? It's I mean, it's a it's absolutely I haven't been since as a because we went then started my when my dad passed away. We didn't go for a long time. And then I went as an adult, as a punter, which felt really weird because we always went as staff. Well, anyway, we didn't do any work at all. We just did did what people do at Glastonbury when they were young teenagers. I was nearly going to give myself completely away then. Um but yeah, so we got to go as grown-ups in theory, and we're probably it was probably one of the last times that you could um like book months, like it it didn't all sell out in like an hour and a half or something. And I think the last time I went, I was pregnant with Mikey, who has just turned 17. So it is a long time, but uh yeah, I adore Glastonbury. It's in my it's definitely Simba Hart.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it was a pretty special moment. And and actually this year's a fallow year, so I was like, gosh, the the like the serendipity of it happening then and there, because I was like, right, okay, I'm holding on to that now.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, just oh absolutely fantastic. I love it, love it, love it, love it. So as as well as doing the the big like Lastbury happy place or all your halls or or whatever you like with big lots of people, you also have your own clients as well. Is there a common theme to what they find you to help them with?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I I would say it's self-belief. And and the kind of the work that I've done with myself and and now further with clients is if you go deeper with self-belief, it's self-leadership. Uh and and all encompassed with that is self-love. And and actually, uh if you were to look at it as a base layer, if you're struggling with your confidence and self-belief, I think there's like there's a ton of love you need to give yourself first, you know, because if if we're if we're not loving ourselves and who we are and seeing our enoughness, uh like the belief piece, I think feels like it's it just feels out of reach. And um, and this isn't to say I've got self-belief nailed, right? Because whatever work we've done, we're all gonna have days where we um think we're shit at something or we feel like crap or we just want to cry or lie down on the grass and go, son, can you look after me or or or or whatever it is, right?
SPEAKER_01It's the nature of expansion though, isn't it? For the for us, every time you expand, there's there's gonna be a bit of space that you've got to grow into.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and and I just think like like we're we've all got wounds, right? We've all got wounds. We can't escape life with having without having wounds, and I guess um it's learning for the wounds not to lead you, right? It's it's learning to like make peace with what whatever the wounds are, and not allowing the wounds to stop you from being who you are. So I think what I radiate out is a shit ton of self-belief because I've made some really bold, brave moves, and generally being the energy of okay, you know, I'm I'm not gonna attach my my worth to that. If it's a no or if it's if you don't say anything, then it's not gonna be about me. I mean, I sent for like you know, I've been working done happy plays for the last few years, and they haven't got laughter yoga there this year, unfortunately. They said they're giving some other people a chance, which is a shame, but I've had three three years um so far. But I DM'd her last month because I I've done this collab work with her so I can get in her DMs. And I said to her, I'd really love for you because she gets little snippets and she loves laughter yoga. And I'm like, I'd really love to do a private laughter yoga session for you and your friends so you can really fully get how powerful it is. The reason why is like one day I really want to be on your podcast advocating about how powerful laughter yoga is. And I sent that. There was a bit of a bum clench, definitely, because normally she'll like I'll tag her and then she'll send me a little heart, or when we had that collab, she was like, I'm really excited, or whatever. I don't, I don't like I'm not messaging her, right? She's not like writing words to me specifically, but I was just like, Fuck it, her her inbox is open. I'm just it's just a big ask. And she can say yes, she can say no, she can ignore it, and all of these are okay. And I had the loveliest message back for her. She went, I'm totally down for that. Book launch is going on at the moment, so it's mental. I'll get back to you, right? And and I was like, amazing. If like if if the energy is right in what we're putting out to the world, like like I think generally people will respond with the energy of understanding that. Do you know what I mean? And and I and I think I even said, you know, this is coming from the energy of da da. So she could get it, like like the why behind it. Do you know what I mean? And I've followed it up, she hasn't got back to me, and it's okay. I'm like, I'm not I'm not attaching myself to that. But if I want something like that to happen, I have to not be afraid to ask the question. Yeah, do you know what I mean? So I I guess, and and this is a thing like I love to teach my clients, is like, don't don't make the stuff about you. And and so much of the stuff that goes on in our head is because we're making it about us and it makes us feel really shitty. And then that's when we go, Oh gosh, I'm not worthy of this, and I'm not good enough for this, and who am I? And like, oh, do you know what? Who the fuck are you not to? Like, we've got one dance on this planet, we like it could end tomorrow. So just like ask the freaking question if that's what you really want to do.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you know, it could have been so easy for you to have made the decision that she didn't
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SPEAKER_01want that message as well, and you'd be like, Oh no, I don't, you know, I don't want to bother you, or yeah, or decide all sorts of things that she could have thought about you and just yeah, not do it at all. And I think we do that all the time, don't we?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and I just think, you know, like create create a story that's gonna help you. She's really busy, right? Instead of like, oh god, she must think you're a right knob, you know. Do you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01Because it's all made up anyway, isn't it? So yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_03Create something that supports you, make make up a juicy one, you know, and and and we and we are really busy, and inboxes are mental, and like we're constantly dropping the ball unintentionally. So I just think wiring myself to the default of, oh, it it's not about me. I and I always do what I call a loving nudge, you know, and people will say to me, Oh, thanks so much for getting back to me about and go. I I'm a queen of a loving nudge because like our lives are pretty bonkers, and we can't like hold all the things all the time, like it's just too much. So if I think I've got I'm I've got something brilliant to share with you, I will be there going, hey, yeah in in a loving way. And if you haven't got capacity to respond, I'll just receive that with love too, and and that's okay, because otherwise, what happens is we just fall into judgment, feeling like rubbish about ourselves, um, comparison, and and all sorts of you know, all sorts of noise.
SPEAKER_01All that she left me on red rage. I mean, like I can hear my teenagers back. They left me on red. Yeah, let's see, didn't they? Well, maybe you're not the most important thing in their life, right? This very second.
SPEAKER_02Oh, we've got to tie this uh episode up because we can forever.
SPEAKER_03We need a whole day.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we do. We should have just a day of laughter, actually. We would probably really like that, wouldn't we? Yes, yeah. It's a wonder we ever get anything recorded when we get together because we do tend to giggle quite a lot, don't we?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, I do love laughter. But that was really interesting what you said about the fact that we often we rely on somebody or something else for the laughter. I've only I've done I've done laughter yoga en masse at Tony Robbins Unleash the Power Within, and there was like ten and a half thousand people in this auditorium, and we just started laughing. And it is it's really interesting. Like some people are like, This is really awkward. And then somebody with a really funny laugh sets people, yeah. And it was just and it was the magical, it was like the you could literally hear the ripple effect around the room when somebody just everybody kind of go and then somebody go, and then off it would all go again. That little that little titter, and it was just yeah, it's just it's magical, it's totally magical.
SPEAKER_03It's it's cathartic, it's very freeing. And I think the important uh thing in my role, I think, with it is for people is to teach people that it goes way beyond just laughter, you know, much like people use the breath powerfully now, right? You can use laughter equally as powerfully, and I think, yeah, if in like 20 years' time people are using laughter yoga like they do yoga, we can feel a like a seismic energetic shift in the world, I think.
SPEAKER_01Oh that's giving me goosebumps, that would be amazing, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Well, let's send that out to the universe then. Indeed. I've got one final question for you, Kat. Where does joy come from?
SPEAKER_03Where does joy come from? Oh, do you want me to have a short one or a or a long one? The short answer for me is like joy is in it is within, you know, one of the pillars I teach, I teach self-love, self-belief, inner joy. And it's specifically inner joy because uh like it's it's innate, like laughter, it's inside, and I think so often we are seeking stuff outside of ourselves. And what I teach using laughter as the vessel, but essentially for joy, is for you to come home, basically, you know. So when you have learnt to navigate the wounds, um, however big they are, in the best way that you can, and got rid of some of these layers that have maybe been dragging around for however long, and you can really freaking look at yourself with love and not loathing, like this is where joy lives. I think the the love piece is very, very important, but like joy, joy is everywhere and anything you want to be, but it like you feel it from here, like it's a heart space, it's an embodied thing, and that's why love to yoga is such a like a powerful tool for getting you in your joy because it's an embodied, it's an out your head and into your body experience.
SPEAKER_01I love that answer. Perfect. Oh, just fantastic. Kat, where can people find you if they need a little bit more of the joy queen?
SPEAKER_03Um, I hang mainly on Insta. Um, I'm sure you'll share the link. Um, but I'm a catgooge official. And if you are like curious about like being intentional with your energy and um the way you want to look on life, like living that 365 energy, I host um, it's a new thing that I'm bringing out now, actually, but based on like what I see is needed, a monthly joy reset. It's um a 30-minute laughter yoga and Reiki online session. It's free. Anyone can come and play, but it the essence of it is about us um learning to self-resource and to um yeah, yeah, like validate from within and use the tools that we already have. So if you're if you're curious about expanding your
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SPEAKER_03joy journey, that's a really great place for you to get a flavor and and find your flavor again, right? You know, because like we're delicious. Your flavor. Yeah, what's your flavor? Yeah, you know, we're delicious, right? We forget we're bloody delicious, so like claim your deliciousness.
SPEAKER_01I love that. And you've also you've got a great download, haven't you, on your website that just gives you those five little tips. And um, my full intention is I have downloaded it. My full intention is to print it out. Sorry, Trees, and I'm gonna stick it up in front of my desk just so it's right in front of my eye line.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I love that. Yeah, juicy joy, juicy five quicker juicy joy hacks. Um, and it goes through my SMILE system. I always think having an anacronym is quite helpful for us to like embed. And and don't don't kind of like write them off as like too simple, uh, and I say that very Very intentionally, because if we want to embed new habits, simplicity is key. Uh, like look at look at what that then delivers, you know. So, yeah, yeah, by all means, please do download that because that's that's a great inroad as well.
SPEAKER_01Oh, well, thank you so much. Thank you, thank you so much for joining us. I hope that everybody, I I know that everybody at home enjoyed that. And Julie and I will see you next week.
SPEAKER_03Thank you so much for having me, my darlings. It's been a joy.
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