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Obesity Medications: Miracle Cure or Dangerous Quick Fix?

• Julie Clark & Catherine Chapman • Episode 71

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Episode 71

The rise of weight loss injections has reached epidemic proportions, with people who aren't even clinically overweight seeking these "miracle solutions" for quick fat loss. What started as medications for type 2 diabetes has morphed into a mainstream approach to weight management—but at what cost?

Julie and Catherine dive deep into the concerning world of anti-obesity medications, exploring how these drugs actually work and the potentially dangerous side effects that aren't being openly discussed. They reveal how these medications essentially put users into "an anorexic state" by suppressing appetite and slowing digestion, potentially leading to malnutrition, muscle wastage, and serious inflammatory conditions like acute pancreatitis.

The conversation tackles the fundamental problem with this pharmaceutical approach: it completely fails to address the root causes of weight gain. Whether psychological factors, emotional eating, or our broken food environment, these issues remain untouched while the body experiences significant hormonal manipulation. Much like Weight Watchers (which recently went bust in America), these solutions offer temporary results without sustainable change.

For those currently taking these medications, the hosts offer practical advice on maximizing nutrition with limited appetite, the importance of protein supplementation, and why strength training becomes even more crucial. They emphasize that while these tools can be appropriate for certain individuals with clinical needs, the casual approach to prescribing them to anyone seeking weight loss is deeply troubling.

This thought-provoking episode challenges listeners to consider what true health looks like beyond numbers on a scale. Are we trading our vitality, strength, and long-term wellbeing for a quick fix? Join the conversation in the Far Too Fabulous Facebook group and share your experiences with these medications.

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Speaker 1:

Welcome to Far Too Fabulous hosted by Julie and Catherine.

Speaker 2:

Join us on a mission to embrace your fabulousness and redefine wellness. Get ready for some feistiness, inspiration, candy chats and humour as we journey together towards empowered well-being. Let's dive in. Hello, hello, everybody, and welcome back to the Far Too Fabulous podcast. Everybody, and welcome back to the far too fabulous podcast. We managed to do that without laughing this time, which is fabulous. Oh my goodness, stop whatever you're doing. Make sure you have a cuppa in your hands, because we have got a huge one for you, huge, big huge.

Speaker 2:

I think this might be a full-on rant it might be, I think, with there are many tangents coming and yeah. So put down whatever you're doing and listen up, because we are talking about obesity medications, we are talking about fat loss injections, and I don't know about you, but I am becoming more and more aware of it and I think I am slightly protected from it. I think that there is it's more common. More common Is that is it proper English Than I?

Speaker 1:

think it is. This is the thing that shocked me. So anti-obesity medications sometimes they're just called AOMs. I thought this was for just, I don't know, a different set of people that I wasn't really surrounded by. But the amount of times it's now come up in conversation by, like, people that I didn't even expect it, like I've had people that I know really well who are fairly fit and healthy, say, oh, I've just been looking into, uh, the obesity medications or injections to see if I can get that so that I can just lose this bit of weight.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's, it's rife actually amongst, like you said, people that are. Are we going to go for the word normal?

Speaker 1:

I mean what is normal?

Speaker 2:

but yeah, just a, just a standard person, a standard group of.

Speaker 1:

If you took a standard group of ladies, I bet that there would probably be what 25 of them I don't even know, but it's just the amount of times it's come up in conversation now and I've just been asked about it so many times recently. Yeah, and even with clients that are working with me they've said do you think I should go and find out about the you know, because their goal is weight loss? They're brave, those clients of yours.

Speaker 2:

Why would they say that to you?

Speaker 1:

but this has been almost my reaction. I'm like wow brave clients yeah, because I haven't, like you said, you hadn't really appreciated how almost rife it is in like every day now. Yeah, just people are walking around having taken these medications and even down the road from us here the chemist now has that big sign up outside that says weight loss clinic. Have you seen that? I haven't seen that. I'm glad I haven't seen that.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and Weight Watchers in America has just gone bust, hasn't it? They have yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so rest in peace, weight Watchers Actually bust, hasn't it? They have? Yeah, yeah, so rest in peace, weight watchers. Actually don't rest in peace, just stay rested and don't ever come back again and take slimming world with you.

Speaker 1:

But is it? But I don't know the reason why it's gone bust. And I don't like those weight watchers, slimming world type models. I know they have worked for some people, but in america has that gone bust because these drugs have become available.

Speaker 2:

Oh, interesting, I hadn't even thought about it. I just assumed, actually, that people were waking up to the fact that just a low calorie or deficit diet wasn't actually healthy, regardless of if it made you lose weight or not, and that they realized that once they didn't stick to this program, that they would. I mean, it's similar to what we're going to be talking about with the, these weight loss injections is that once they stop doing whatever this program is that they're doing whether it's weight watchers, slimming world, whether it's injections once they stop doing that, if they have not learned how to eat properly and what the underlying causes are, they go straight back to their default. Yeah, and I, for me, maybe that was just wishful thinking that that's what I thought was the downfall of weight watchers, but no, you're probably right that people have replaced one thing for another yeah, because it's a quick fix, yeah, whereas with weight watchers you still had to put some effort in, right, yeah?

Speaker 2:

yeah, I mean you're so out to go. I'm just uh, mikey is watching. Oh, what's it called little britain at the moment, which is obviously not very politically correct? No I knew, and it's not that old, and I am amazed at what they get away with. But there's the Weight Watchers one. Yeah, weight. Yes, I can't remember what they call it, but what really struck me was when they go up and get weighed and like the shame on that.

Speaker 1:

But that was actually a thing.

Speaker 2:

That's what they had to go and get weighed every week or whatever at Weight Watchers. Yeah, and I don't know. There's just so much about it. And actually, before I continue this is complete rant. I am gonna say for the record that, actually, that these, these tools, if they are used as tools, have a place. I am not 100 against weight watchers or slimming world or weight loss injections per se, as long as they are used next to, along with education and probably counseling and an awareness and I think we're going to go down this route as well definitely An awareness that, with regards to our food industry, we're being set up to fail. Yeah, so, yeah, so I just want to say that you know if you are using the weight loss injections. This is not a barrage against you.

Speaker 1:

We're not demonising you Without definitely, definitely not we.

Speaker 2:

I definitely definitely not we. I mean, I, I get it, I totally get it.

Speaker 1:

It's it's about the system and it's about how it should be used, or how they should be used yeah, I think the first thing that we should do is understand what these are and how they actually work. So these medications were originally used to treat type 2 diabetes and then a, I guess what you would call a positive side effect of it was weight loss. So now they're not. As far as I know, they're still not. Actually I can't think of the word now license. License, yeah, they're not. I don't, they're still not actually. I can't think of the word now Licensed. Licensed yeah, I don't think they're actually licensed fully for weight loss, I think they're used off-label.

Speaker 1:

I think they call it. They're prescribed off-label if you meet the criteria for the purpose of weight loss.

Speaker 2:

So when they were being used for type 2 diabetes, that wasn't to create, the outcome wasn't weight loss. So when they were being used for type 2 diabetes, that wasn't to create, the outcome wasn't weight loss. Then was it something else? Yeah, so that.

Speaker 1:

So those drugs, basically they're called the glp1 receptor agonist is what it is. Catchy name, yeah, but this, this term glp1 keeps coming up as well in lots of things. When you look at in the health and well-being industry. This is like this term now is thrown around. Like you know, I'm going to be working on my GLP-1 receptor. I mean it's almost laughable, but you know we all have this and what it does is it increases the insulin output, so it basically punches the pancreas to produce more insulin, which in turn, means that there's less sugar in the bloodstream. And if we've got less blood and less sugar in the bloodstream, then we don't convert it to fat.

Speaker 1:

At the same time, this glucagon, like peptide, which is the GLP part, also slows the movement of food through the digestive tract. It slows the gastric emptying. Therefore, you feel fuller. For longer it suppresses appetite. For longer it suppresses appetite and in type 2 diabetes, what you're trying to do really is because you've become insulin resistant is you want to be able to help the body to bring the blood sugars down because they are circling too high, and we know that that has massive impacts. It's very detrimental.

Speaker 1:

So that's what it was originally used for. It stimulates insulin production, basically. But if we do that to somebody without having the education that you spoke about, you've got reduced appetite and therefore you've got less food going in. The food that is going in needs to be incredibly nutrient dense to compensate, otherwise you are in a nutrient deficit, which is going to have even more detrimental impact on the body. And we know now that for women and and it's a lot of women that are going for this drug, medication and injection is that we have to have more protein, and yet we know how difficult that is to get in. Anyway, you have to eat quite a lot of protein to get the figure you need. If you've then taken a drug that has suppressed your appetite and has slowed your gastric emptying, then what's going to happen? You're going to get muscle wastage and you're going to be malnourished.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, especially with things like protein that really fill you up and they keep you fuller for longer. Anyway, yeah, you're not going to eat anywhere near enough, and the whole point of then educating yourself and being able to create a system within your body that you can do all of this for yourself and and come off of the weight loss drugs you're not going to be able to do because you're not going to be able to build up muscle, because you're going to be weak and you're going to be malnourished.

Speaker 1:

You're not going to have enough protein to be able to sustain that it's so dangerous and, just like the people that I've spoke to, who are thinking about this medication injection or even on it, have been given no information that that is what's going to happen yeah, I, I think there's.

Speaker 2:

They're selling it as a miracle cure and I'm saying selling, they're selling, they are making a lot of money out of our misery and the fact that society will not be very kind on obesity and weight gain and how women look, because our audience is women. I am sure that there are men out there on this and it definitely affects them as well, but how women look and they are cashing in on this and that makes me very cross.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it makes me very angry as well, because when you look downstream, you know we often talk about future proofing our health and doing stuff now to make sure that we're strong when we're older so we don't fall, or, if we do, we recover from it and we bounce back. If we get ill, we bounce back, whatever it is going forward. If you take this type of medication, you are doing nothing to future proof your health. You're doing the opposite.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you're taking moving the problem further down down the stream and I find it's really worrying. Actually, I mean, you were saying about you'd listen to something where they'd said that we now recognize that there's probably going to be a pandemic issue coming out the back of this yeah, of of side effects from this.

Speaker 2:

So now you said about this drug drug basically gives the pancreas a sucker punch to uh, to get its get its shit together. Yeah, yeah. So that now makes sense that people are getting acute pancreatitis as a side effect of this yeah, it makes total sense, doesn't it?

Speaker 1:

yeah, because if you keep prodding something to do a job, it's like picking a scab. What's going to happen? You're going to get an inflammatory response, and that inflammatory response won't necessarily be isolated to that pancreas. You could have a systemic inflammatory issue in your body which will then affect your heart. It will then affect your joints. It will push up your chance of autoimmunity. You're going to higher your risk of dementia because that's an inflammatory condition. It's just, it's so worrying. But none of that is being spoke about, right?

Speaker 2:

Well, no, because they're making lots of money out of it. And yeah, and it's like you said, it's like kicking the can further down the road and we'll just end up with with different epidemics and different problems. I'm just oh, my goodness, I'm just crying for the pancreas now because it was I mean, it was under stress anyway, because we're assuming that if you are taking this, that you are suffering, you're overweight or you're suffering with obesity, and so your pancreas is, is already working pretty bloody hard, and then you're going to put this foreign object, foreign body, into your body and it's going to create this response and it's now going to work even harder and yet.

Speaker 1:

But the thing is, you know at the start you said about, you're not saying that this is, this is a never thing for the certain people. If you are type 2 diabetic, you're really overweight and your risk factors involved in that are much higher than the risk factors of taking this drug to lose weight, and you've been given support in learning and understanding why your body's got to that stage. What are the habits that you're doing and whatever else is tied to it? If you're doing that, then it it can be the right thing. But what I'm seeing, and I'm sure you're seeing the same thing, is some of the people that are saying to me oh, I think I should go look at this are not obese.

Speaker 2:

No, no, anyway.

Speaker 2:

No, and you're absolutely right that, yeah, people that are suffering with diabetes, along with all the research with michael mosley, that you get to lose this weight super, super quick and it really helps your body to to reset and, yeah, all the detrimental effects, like throughout your whole system, from type 2 diabetes is huge.

Speaker 2:

So, yeah, it's absolutely.

Speaker 2:

And if you are not type 2 diabetic and you are very overweight, being able to have those small wins, to be able to lose some weight, to be able to feel like you're moving, to be able to lose some weight, to be able to feel like you're moving forward, to be able to feel like maybe you can move a little bit better, is an absolute win. And that's exactly what these things are for as long as you are one aware. Because what I would love to know and this might be a huge conversation in the Facebook group what I would love to know and this might be a huge conversation in the facebook group what I would love to know is, if you are on this medication in some way, shape or form, do you know all about this? Do you know the risk factors? Do you know how it works? I mean just that small information you've just said about the fact that it slows that uh, it slows your gastric emptying and so then you are less, you're less able to give your body the nutrients that it needs.

Speaker 1:

That's, that's huge information, and I don't feel like that is being is being pushed out and if you think about if you're on this medication and you're eating a diet that is pretty rubbish because you're like, well, I'm losing weight, I haven't got a lot of appetite. When I do want to eat, I'm going to eat whatever I like and you're putting in that food that is maybe processed or full of stuff that is not great for you and it's sat there for longer. What impact is that going to have on your digestive system, your microbiome?

Speaker 2:

I mean the pancreas at this point is going. Are you joking?

Speaker 1:

Do you know what it's interesting, isn't it? Because I don't think we're thinking about this is such a typical medical approach, I think is to just look at that one thing that is having a positive effect on, without looking at everything else in the body and how it's all linked.

Speaker 2:

And if you then impact your microbiome, we know that that has loads of issues yeah, yeah, absolutely, and I I don't know how this works, but when somebody is prescribed, is it planned for a finite amount of time, because I've certainly heard people say, oh, I think I'm going to be on this, uh, for the rest of my life, and that's not, as far as I can tell from what we've talked about, how it works. That's not sustainable. No, like with life, that's not sustainable like I do. Also, I have heard a story of somebody that had taken it.

Speaker 2:

She was, as far as I was concerned, was not overweight. She may have felt like she was carrying more weight than she used to do and I mean, I get that, yeah, but she certainly by no means was overweight. She took it for a finite amount of time and she still now has a very, very low appetite. She can't drink alcohol, which I mean not necessarily a bad thing, but when something artificial has made that happen in your body, it's not a great thing. And this is going on and I mean it's like and again, how do? How long do you leave this before you then have to go to the doctors and go oh look, I took this medication for this. I've stopped taking it. It's now caused this.

Speaker 1:

What you know what we're going to do yeah, I was listening to a doctor on a podcast I cannot think of his name now, but he was really outspoken about it and he basically used this phrase and I thought, bloody hell, that is. That says it all, really. He said understand this. When you give people these medications, what you are doing is putting someone in an anorexic state and nothing ever good has come out from being anorexic. Yeah, and I thought, whoa, because you are impacting that appetite. Yeah, and you're reducing the nutrition going in. Yeah, I don't think there is. You're muscle wasting.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you know, I just don't think there has been enough thought behind everything else that's going on. I think they're like, oh, this is great. Thought behind everything else that's going on. I think they're like, oh, this is great. And I mean I appreciate that the obesity epidemic is costing the country, the nhs, the world an enormous amount of money.

Speaker 1:

I mean, if we're talking like economics and politics and all that sort of stuff, I appreciate that it is a lot of money but we're not sorting out the root cause of the problem, and the food chain is broken and we're not doing anything about it and, in fact, it's.

Speaker 2:

It's of the pharmaceutical, of the, with the food industry's benefit that we don't sort this out. It's of their.

Speaker 1:

It's their benefit that we just plaster over the cracks yeah, that one of the things that I found really interesting, but also very, very disturbing, was that when you look into medical intervention for weight loss whether that's a gastric band or you know, using or using these injections and things that the rate of suicide for those people had increased because a lot of people that were given these things because they're overweight, because the root cause of it wasn't addressed, they were actually using food as their comfort, as an escape for their emotions, to push things down, whatever it was. When that was taken away, they couldn't deal with their mental health issue and it increased the risk of suicide. I mean, that's just huge, isn't it?

Speaker 2:

And that really highlights the fact that you are not looking at the underlying problem.

Speaker 1:

Not looking at the underlying problem, the reason that these people are overweight and obese in the first place? Yeah, and then I wonder if it then increases other behaviors that are addictive, because overeating is an addiction, whether smoking or vaping, or drinking alcohol yeah, etc. Whether that I, I would suspect that that would increase. Or, you know, shopping or binge watching tv, whatever the addiction is, became a bigger deal.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah absolutely, yeah, a control on on something, because they've lost that control on the eating. That's really interesting, really interesting. I mean, you knew that this was the route that julie and I were going to go down. So let's just look at. So we know that lots of people are taking this medication and I think you've got the point that we think you've got to be pretty far down the road before this is your resort. Yeah, so when they have taken it, what do we want to?

Speaker 1:

support it. So I think we need to make sure that when that person does eat, that it's as nutrient dense as possible, I think that's so important, and it's certainly when I've thought about this whole subject.

Speaker 1:

It's certainly not something I've really thought about so they've got to make sure that they've got their protein. They've. Also, I think you have to add your weight resistant training, strength training, into it in order to maintain that. Any muscle mass that you're potentially losing from your lack of food intake and whatever other knock-on effects say that that medication has that we don't even maybe know about. We don't know if it's going to impact the hormones and if that's because that this is the thing about the hormones is I've mentioned this so many times it's orchestra. You're playing around with the hormones, insulin, which is part of that orchestra. What does it do to the other parts of the orchestra? Does the thyroid then start to have an issue? Are you producing more stress? I reckon stress must go up because the body must go. I am depleted. What the hell's happened? I had this food coming in and now it's stopped. Emergency crisis send out the army. Yeah, stress response goes up. What? What's the knock-on effect of that?

Speaker 2:

I just think that's interesting, because stress response will go up, but nothing will happen because you have got no appetite. Exactly.

Speaker 1:

So the more you think about it, the more scary it actually is. But if you're someone on medication or taking the injections, that would be my focus. I would be thinking to myself my appetite is reduced when I do eat. I have got to ensure that I am taking in my protein and my nutrients, and I think you would have to put in supplementation. I don't think you could do it with food alone. Because your appetite is so reduced, you're not going to get in what you actually physically need. Yeah, and we already know that our food is less.

Speaker 1:

It's got less nutrition yeah, because, yeah, yeah what we've done to the soil and things like that. I think that you've then got to look at protein supplementation and your vitamins and minerals yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely yeah.

Speaker 2:

it'd be really interesting also to know about things like when you're are you able to drink enough water, because I know that often if I'm feeling hungry, it's not actually because I'm hungry, I'm thirsty. I'm going to drink the water. Is that going to continue to mean that there's less calories coming into me? If you're trying to get enough hydration in, because you've got to still do that, yeah.

Speaker 1:

I hadn't even thought about hydration, but, yeah, that is a really key one. But, yeah, that is a really key one. And yeah, the other thing I was thinking of, which has actually just exited my brain, because that's how it works these days, oh, I know what. It was connected. Because when you have, if you punch your pancreas to produce insulin and it takes your blood sugars too low, which is another risk for these drugs low blood sugar is dangerous. Right, what does that do?

Speaker 2:

It takes away the main nutrient for the brain, and then you don't want to do anything in the first place. You're going to have no energy. You're not going to want to go and lift weights, you're not going to want to do anything. Yeah, yeah, Literally the more my brain is connecting the dots with it, all the more scary it's becoming.

Speaker 1:

You'll get yeah yeah, just thinking of what's going to happen to these people and the long-term effect of it. Yeah, without, just without knowing any of this stuff, because I don't think I mean I don't know for sure because I haven't been for a consultation at the chemist perhaps I should just turn up and see what they say, see what they say. You know, they might just go get out of here because clearly I'm not overweight, but I don't know. I don't know what the process is, but just understanding how many people I'm now speaking to or it's coming up in general conversation, or I'm overhearing people talking about it and looking, thinking you do not look like someone who is obese and in need of this drug. Yeah, I just yeah, it's really quite worrying me.

Speaker 2:

From what I've, from what I've heard, there are the, so the systems where you'd go and buy it yourself. There is a I don't know like a vague safety blanket to make sure that it's not abused, to make sure that you are overweight and that it is you I mean, I'm saying that it's you that's taking it, but once they send it to you, it could be anybody that's taking it. And once you have reached your I don't know, quote, unquote target weight if that is something that is part of the consultation, then what Then? Do they stop you from having it? Do they like? Is there any education? So when?

Speaker 2:

And then it's like with Weight Watchers and Slimming World and things. When you stop taking something and then you go back to as long as your appetite returns and as long as you are healthy enough. If you go back to your old habits because you've not addressed the underlying reasons that you're overeating and and over drinking or or whatever it is, that's your achilles heel through this, then what? Yeah, do you just go back to what you were doing before?

Speaker 1:

and then your weight increases and then you go back and go oh, my weight's gone up. I need just go back to what you were doing before and then your weight increases. And then you go back and go oh, my weight's gone up. I need to go back on it again.

Speaker 2:

I don't know do you, then I'm just, I'm just spitballing. Now I don't like that saying, but I can't think of anything playing devil's advocate, yeah, do you. Then if you come off, it think, oh, I'm gonna eat what I like, because I know that I can go back onto the injections and I can lose the weight again yeah, this, this could happen and never, ever, solve the problem and never, ever and this makes me cry more than ever is you never, ever get to feel fully healthy, alive, vital, strong, energetic.

Speaker 2:

You don't get to feel that in your body because if you're, if you're permanently on these injections, you're going to feel like we've just discussed you're going to feel weaker. They talk about that a zempic face where you could tell that somebody is on these injections because of the muscle wastage within and you can see that within their face. So, yeah, so if you're not applying all these things, if you're not getting your nutrition here, if you're not hydrating, I don't know. It would be interesting to see if it affects things like sleep. Hopefully it makes it better. But who knows, building all these habits in looking at your, looking at your eating habits, looking at your addiction to sugars and fats and salts, which is is this is only going to fuel the food industry. They're just going to be loving this. If you don't look at all these things, you don't, I don't know. You just don't get to feel that. That vitality.

Speaker 1:

No, I can't see how you can possibly feel well taking something that is putting you in a state of malnutrition, muscle wasting and low blood sugar.

Speaker 2:

No, it doesn't sound like a good plan. You should see julia's face here. I mean, honestly, the cogs are turning and she's looking. She's looking paler by the second.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, really, because I don't think, like I said, as we're talking through this, I'm connecting all these things and I'm just thinking what on earth were we thinking for this to be just put out into the mainstream? And I think there are loads of people that fill out the online form and get through the, the criteria check, and I think this is this is a massive, massive issue. Julie's gone to lay down we've terrified ourselves.

Speaker 2:

I am going to I am going to just keep reiterating that if you are on these, this is, we are not attacking you, and that may it may feel like that we want as always.

Speaker 1:

but it's not their fault, is it? No, they've gone with a problem, yeah, that they've probably been trying to resolve, yes, and then they've been told we can help you with this, but they've not been given, or it's like signing a deal with the devil and not realising what the actual repercussions of it are. But if you are on it, then you've got to got to got to focus on what you are eating, when you do eat, and you're going to have to supplement, I think.

Speaker 2:

I don't know how you can do without.

Speaker 2:

I think yeah absolutely and find a way to fit strength training yeah, so important into into it. Hopefully you've got the energy to be able to do that. I mean, maybe if you've lost some weight, you do feel like you could, you know, feel like you've got a bit more energy and perhaps you can add some some strength training into it. Do I even want to talk about the heart and and the cardiovascular system and things? Maybe I do, maybe maybe I don't. That's very, very important, just using it to create some really, really healthy habits so that when you stop using it as a as a great weight loss tool, it's clearly very good at what it does. When you stop using it, you have got all the other tools that you need to keep you fit and healthy yeah absolutely, I couldn't agree more my heart's racing

Speaker 2:

we've. We've actually talked ourselves out, which is a first, I think, because we were 100 miles an hour at the start of this and now there are no words. Yeah, there are no words. We would love, love, love for this conversation to continue in the Facebook group. We know that we are not the experts on this subject by any stretch of the imagination, so it would be amazing to hear your experiences of of being on it. We would love to hear your wins. We would obviously love to hear you know how it's going, whether it's going well or not, what assessments you were given put through, uh, beforehand I have, I mean, like you know, we've gone doom and gloom, as we, as we, always do, but I have had some positive experiences where people have been monitored whilst they are on this and they have been educated with their nutrition and have been educated with their habits, so that it gives me a little bit of hope.

Speaker 2:

And I have also been heard that doctors have said no to people because they don't fit the criteria. And I have heard some great stories of people that have lost weight, that they've been struggling to lose for a long time and they feel much, much better, and so these are all really, really encouraging stories, and that is what we want from them. We want you to be able to use it in conjunction with all the other tools so you can support yourself once you don't use it anymore. Is that? Yeah, julia's lost for words. She's scared the living daylights out of herself, right, so do come and join us in the Far Too Fabulous Facebook group and we will continue this conversation forevermore probably. Yeah, absolutely See you there. Thank you for keeping us company today. If you enjoyed the podcast, don't forget to subscribe and leave a review.

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