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How to Reduce Toxic Chemical Exposure in Everyday Life

August 08, 2024 • Julie Clark & Catherine Chapman • Episode 30

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Episode 30
Can the everyday products you use be silently harming your health? Join us as we uncover the hidden chemicals in our food, cleaning products, and cosmetics that permeate our lives in ways we might not even realize. From the alarming presence of pesticides in school fruits to the chemicals that seep into our bloodstream through our skincare routines, we delve into how these substances impact our health and the health of our families. This episode brings to light the often-overlooked risks of everyday chemical exposure and the importance of making informed choices.

The liver plays a crucial role in detoxifying our bodies, and supporting its health through proper nutrition is essential. We discuss the link between an overburdened detoxification system and skin issues, especially during menopause, and provide practical steps to reduce your body's toxic load. Learn how to choose cleaner cosmetics and household products, and why sourcing organic and local foods is vital to minimize pesticide exposure. We'll even guide you through the Dirty Dozen and Clean 15 lists to help you make smarter food choices and avoid high-residue fruits like grapes and cherries.

Switching to natural products can significantly reduce your chemical exposure and improve your overall well-being. From filtering water to choosing safer personal care products, we offer actionable tips to help you make healthier and more eco-friendly choices. Discover the benefits of natural cleaning products and the importance of avoiding chemicals in gardening. By making small, informed changes, you can not only enhance your health but also contribute to a more sustainable environment. Tune in and empower yourself to take control of your well-being by reducing your toxic load.

Here are the links mentioned in this episode:
The Dirty Dozen UK List: https://www.pan-uk.org/dirty-dozen/
The Clean Fifteen & Dirty Dozen US List: https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/full-list.php
Julie's Blog: https://www.julieclarknutrition.co.uk/toxic-chemicals-need-know/
Riverford Discount Code: www.riverford.co.uk/refer/fIeg7MAsDT0lOkdqgr8biQ

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Speaker 1:

Welcome to Far Too Fabulous hosted by Julie and.

Speaker 2:

Catherine, join us on a mission to embrace your fabulousness and redefine wellness. Get ready for some feistiness, inspiration, candy chats and humour as we journey together towards empowered well-being. Let's dive in.

Speaker 1:

Hello and welcome to this week's episode of the podcast. Now, today, we are going to talk about chemicals Chemicals in food, chemicals in cleaning products, chemicals in our cosmetics. Why, catherine, are we talking about chemicals?

Speaker 2:

Well, for me it's really interesting when you're saying about cleaning products and then you start to talk about cosmetics and things. You suddenly realize how many things chemicals are involved in that you just don't think about at all, that we are ingesting all of the time yeah, and we don't necessarily realize that they get into our body.

Speaker 1:

So when we put something on our hair, we don't necessarily think that can get inside our body because that's on the outside. On our skin, yeah, because, again, that's on the inside, on the outside, but the skin is a barrier directly connected to the blood supply. Yeah, and the blood supply goes everywhere. So anything you put on your skin which is why steroid creams work goes into your blood supply yeah.

Speaker 2:

So I mean it's a really good way of getting stuff into your system. I remember when I was earning money for nursing college and I worked for a company called Lichisma which I think were the precursor to doTERRA and they were talking about rubbing these essential oils into your skin and then being able to be found present in your urine 20 minutes later. So it gone through your entire system, from your skin right cleared right through, in 20 minutes, and that was just.

Speaker 1:

I mean, it's clever, but it's kind of terrifying at the same time, especially with the subject we're talking about now yeah, exactly, I mean, when we were getting ready to do this podcast, my husband was showing us a an email from riverford. So riverford are the company that I used to get my organic box of fruit and veg delivered and they had highlighted the amount of pesticides in the apples given to children at school the free apples, you know, the fruit that you get in primary school don't get in secondary school?

Speaker 1:

do you in the? In the early years of primary school, they just throw it at you in secondary school yeah yeah, and just highlighting that you've got something there that is a perfectly healthy, full of nutrition food that you want your children to eat, and then you're being told it's full of chemicals and this is becoming such a massive, massive problem yeah, it's really hard, isn't it?

Speaker 2:

when you think that you're doing great things for yourself, your body, for your children, and then to discover that actually it's quite detrimental.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, frustrating yeah, it is frustrating because we don't want to stop our children from having apples, and this is not the point of this conversation.

Speaker 1:

No, it's to go because sometimes children are listening this is not your get out of jail free card, no, and I think sometimes you get this information put at you and you almost have a bit of a like what's the point? You know I can't do anything right? Yeah, because even when I try and give my child an apple now, or the school trying to give my child an apple, it's full of pesticides. But we can reduce our overall toxic load. So if we're in a position where we've got a choice of whether to eat the apple with the pesticides or not eat the apple, we can eat the apple with the pesticides if we know that we've reduced the toxic load elsewhere yeah, no, absolutely, and again, we're going to talk about awareness.

Speaker 2:

It's like looking at where we are ingesting these, these chemicals. So we're going to talk more about chemicals and food in a moment, but having to think of thinking about your, like, your cleaning products, the stuff you put on your, like you just said, about your hair, your skin, cosmetics.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, how much lipstick do we eat? Do we know what's in the lipstick?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, no, I dread to think Most of mine's on my teeth.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, exactly, most of mine's on my teeth. Yeah, exactly, yeah. And when you think about our young girls, now, the young, the young girls are using more makeup, yeah yeah, huge I've noticed they're using more makeup, younger and more products. You know how many products do we have in our bathrooms now that we put on ourselves?

Speaker 1:

yeah, well, actually I don't have loads, because I'm not one to wear makeup and stuff, as you know. But yeah, it's a lot of things that you're putting on your body every single day and the cheaper the product, the more chemicals yeah, no, absolutely so.

Speaker 2:

When you were saying about, I mean, obviously we there are. We don't. Sometimes we don't get a choice about the chemicals that are on our foods, and perhaps we make choices about what sorts of products we are putting on our, our skin or or our hair or what have you. Perhaps we, we, make choices and decide you know, weigh up the decision whether we want to gamble with those, those chemicals, those chemicals for the gain of beautiful rouge lips or something like that. What can we do within ourselves to make sure that we're not?

Speaker 1:

overloading our bodies. Well, we can certainly reduce how much we put on or in our body. Some things we can't control, like the environment we can't control. Like the environment, we can't control all the chemicals that filter through in our water supply. I was talking to you earlier on about the heavy metals on the hair test with you know we test for natural heavy metals like lead and mercury and aluminium. They're all natural. The body recognizes them, but they're not good for us when they build up. They affect lots of things.

Speaker 1:

We know there's a link with aluminium and alzheimer's for example you know, we know that those are there, so we know those aren't good for us. But if we're, if we're discovering that those are creeping up in our body, it often means that our body is not able to keep up with the demand on detoxification. So therefore, we can look at either reducing the load going in or and or we can support our detoxification routes. So things like our liver health, how much work is our liver doing? Because of medications, because of processing sugar, because of processing alcohol? It processes our chemicals, yeah.

Speaker 1:

So we've got to look at how well set up is the liver to do that, and the liver depends on nutrients to do that. So have we got enough of those nutrients in the body? If we're not going to the toilet every day because we're constipated, then we're not getting rid of it. We're not getting rid of it, we're not getting out of our body. Yeah, you know, the skin is the biggest organ. The biggest detoxification organ our body has has is the skin. But if our skin is showing us that there's problems, it could be because our detoxification is overloaded and or it's not working properly.

Speaker 2:

So that's a good first indicator. Then, isn't it? If you're having, if you're having skin problems, you have an outbreak.

Speaker 1:

It might be, that might be where you start to look yeah, solve that problem exactly, and when I'm working with fertility, for example, I've got to look at the toxic load, because the liver also recycles hormones and when you need your hormones to be balanced. This is another thing. Um, when we're looking at menopause, yeah, it's the same menopause.

Speaker 2:

It make us less able to to do all this because it's clearing out all the hormones as well yeah, and how many people going through menopause start to have skin problems?

Speaker 1:

yeah, start to react to things? Yes. Start to struggle with alcohol because they can't clear it for them from their body? Yeah, because their body's literally trying to balance the hormones at that point. So you've got, yeah, that situation going on. So I think one of the easiest ways to reduce the load on your body initially is with cleaning products and cosmetics and hair and body stuff, because we can have an element of control over that can't we?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, absolutely. We talked in one of our past episodes about playing on easy, and this is a prime example of that making sure that you are setting your body up to play on easy so that it can actually do its job without overloading it with the things that you've got control over got control over?

Speaker 1:

yeah, exactly, and there are lots of things that we can control in this situation, but there are lots that we can't. You know, we can't control all of the pesticides and herbicides and everything used in the food production, but we can make a choice to grow food ourselves if we can, even in a pot, on a windowsill. There's so many things that you can grow. We could choose to do that. We could choose to source organic or at least local produce. If we can have that relationship or conversation with the grower to find out what they're actually using and doing, that can make a difference. Buying organic we spoke about this before I think about the cost element, but then when you weigh up the cost of having that those chemicals going in your body, yeah, versus the cost of, you know, buying some things organic. We spoke about the clean 15 and the dirty dozen list before. Didn't we have?

Speaker 2:

we have and we've just looked at that, and that's again. That's a choice, isn't it? You can continue to eat well, but if you've got that information, you can then decide what might be better for you or what might not. So when you have a look, and we'll, we'll put the link into the show notes. The um, it brings up the dirty dozen and the clean 15, certainly from the US, and did we?

Speaker 1:

find one from the UK. So we've got the Dirty Dozen list for the UK that gets produced by Pesticide Action Network UK. We get that list, but the Clean 15 seems to be missing for the UK. But I usually use the US chart only because my thought process is that if the US are growing crops, specific crops that aren't needing as much pesticides, then surely our farmers must have the same or a similar situation. So I find that a lot of the, a lot of the the products that come up on the dirty dozen are the fruits with the soft skin Okay, yeah, because they get sprayed a lot, especially things like strawberries, whereas your carrots in the ground, because the ground is giving them some protection, depends on the state of the soil. That's a whole other subject.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, not talking about the nutritional content of these, just the chemical content of these at the moment.

Speaker 1:

So there seems to be some offer of protection when it's in the ground versus being grown on a bush or a tree.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, especially these lovely, yeah, soft, sweet, lovely looking fruits. Yeah, I imagine they have to cover them. So, yeah, we were interested to see that, or saddened to see that grapes were up at the up at the top there, as were strawberries, which is which is really hard, isn't it? Because I know that, that, um, certainly, my daughter, my youngest daughter, loves both of those yeah, and I'm a huge cherry fan.

Speaker 1:

My favorite fruit is cherry, yeah, and so at this time of year I will go and buy those cherries off the stalls you know from the farms. I love the cherries. You know what, though?

Speaker 2:

when I think about cherries um well, I don't know if I regularly do that, but when I think about it, I don't think about them in a plastic punnet, much like I do like the grapes and strawberries I think about them in a brown paper bag, maybe from the side of the road, maybe from the market, and you see them all piled up there. That's my favourite. I don't often buy cherries in the supermarket.

Speaker 1:

No, I don't either, so that is weird. But yeah, I'm really gutted to see that, when we're looking at the list, that the ones that have got the highest residues of pesticides and chemicals cherries are on that list. Grapes are on that list because some of those foods are very hard to source organically as well we'll have peaches and nectarines right at the top yeah, right at the top there. So again soft, yeah, outer skin. Not much protection there.

Speaker 2:

But then you've got apples right up there and brussels sprouts randomly yeah, I remember when a friend of mine went on holiday um I can't remember where he went um and he was showing me pictures of a banana plantation and how they had basically put these chemical filled bags around each bunch of bananas. So the bananas were literally sat in the chemicals, in chemicals yeah yeah, and it was.

Speaker 2:

I think it was quite a famous um fruit company that were making them um and that, yeah, that was to actually to actually see that, to actually see them physically putting the bananas in chemicals was really quite eye-opening. It's really, it's quite shocking.

Speaker 1:

It is shocking. I think things are starting to change a little bit because, you know, the movement for regenerative farming is really picking up now and farmers are realising that they can grow in a different way and they don't necessarily need all the chemicals. And there has been quite a lot of talk around the quality of the soil, how much top soil we've actually got left for growing, and talking about soil being alive and how many worms you find in a shovel of dirt gives an indication of the the quality of that soil. I think there are things changing, but right at the moment, it's.

Speaker 1:

It's not a good. It's not good. We are subjected to so many chemicals and what makes me cross is that the chemicals are deemed safe because they haven't tested the cocktail effect of them all when we ingest them. And the one that makes me really cross is that ones that you use on your hair and body because they're not considered to be something you ingest, yeah, they don't have the same level of regulation at all, which is bonkers because we know that, that we absorb that yeah, and the same with cleaning products as well.

Speaker 1:

You know, you get them on your skin, you breathe in the fumes. Nobody's tested that, they've just tested. Oh, if I fed this domestos to um a rat, is it going to cause x, y or z?

Speaker 2:

yeah, you know yeah, which is ridiculous because that does not not fit for purpose. Is it then at the like for the user?

Speaker 1:

no, I mean we've been talking about the importance of the bacteria for our guts and I saw an advert the other day. Now I don't often see adverts, because who watches normal tv anymore?

Speaker 1:

but I happen to see an advert and it was, I think it was something like dental, orl or domestos for your washing machine and for your clothes to kill all the bacteria. You know, because it said we're washing at lower temperatures now we're not killing the bacteria. Therefore, we're now going to put this chemical into our washing machine that's going to strip all the bacteria off our clothes but leave the chemical residues there that we're then going to put on our body, knowing that that's got indirect access to our skin yeah, no, it's, it's scary and again it's that.

Speaker 2:

It's that marketing isn't it and it's it's. It's very difficult to know, because somebody buying that might think that they're doing them and their families a really good service by getting rid of all all the bad in inverted commas bacteria, and so it's. It's really hard to know what to do when, when in reality that's actually probably causing you more harm than than not yeah, exactly, and you don't always know the effects, do you like?

Speaker 1:

if you've got really severe eczema, for example, then you're looking at everything, aren't you? The washing powder, you're using the type of bedding that you've got. You're looking at everything. But if you don't have those issues, you don't really fully know that those chemicals are putting pressure on your microbiome, they're putting pressure on your inflammatory response. They're putting pressure on your liver. They're getting parked up in places like your fatty tissues. Fatty tissues are great for storing chemicals that the body needs to push quickly from the blood because it knows this is not good. I need to get this out of my blood. I'm going to push it into the tissues and joints in my brain. That's a nice fatty area to store stuff, yeah, and then it builds up and eventually causes problems that we know, we're aware of. There's links with cancer. There's links with dementia. Loads of issues can be traced back to chemicals yeah, it's really.

Speaker 2:

I mean, we know these things because I think when, like when you're pregnant, you're supposed to avoid, um, the, as it's a fish yeah, fish because of the mercury.

Speaker 1:

Mercury, so we we know this, so I'm not sure why it takes a fetus to stop us from, uh, from eating these things yeah, yeah, we do know, we do know a lot about it, but I still think it's not necessarily spoken about enough and the people aren't generally aware that of reducing their toxic load, what I thought was really interesting was you were saying that that individually, these chemicals are tested as to as to whether they are seriously harmful to us, but they're not tested together, so that when you are perhaps I don't know ingesting something from a pesticide, you've done some cleaning and you've got some makeup on and you put some deodorant on exactly they've got no idea what that, what that cocktail will do to you yeah, I'm talking about deodorants.

Speaker 1:

I find it really, really disgraceful that those deodorants containing the aluminium are still allowed to be sold. And going back to kids, again, we've got to be careful with our kids with deodorants. You know, don't? I made a joke before about the lynx effect didn't I that I'm allergic to the lynx stuff. That's all chemicals in there. But if you've got children that are spraying these things on them under their arms, what is under your arm? A major part of your lymphatic system, which is something to take everything away.

Speaker 2:

It's supposed to help you detox and take all the harmful stuff away.

Speaker 1:

Yeah you fill it up with that? Yeah, and we know that there's a link with breast cancer, with those chemicals again, with with deodorants. So, yeah, using a natural deodorant, even though we know that they don't always work as effectively as you know these two, something that says it stops you sweating for 24 hours. That is not normal. Yeah, where is the sweat going then, if it's not coming out? Yeah, god that your body needs to do that to be able to process that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, it's an important part of how your body works, regulates body temperature, clears waste, gives the signals back to the brain to say that everything's all right in the body. Yeah, and yet we screw with that by putting some horrible right guard yeah, right guards getting it today domestos and kills all known germs dead. Yeah, all the good ones.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, all known ones yeah, not just the bad ones, yeah, no, yeah, I don't think we're gonna get sponsorship from them, do you? No, we wouldn't want to anyway, would we? No, no, but again, that's all that wonderful marketing that works so so well that we, like society, says that we, we should not only smell or not smell, but we should smell different. We should smell nice, that or that, we should bleach everything. Um, shall I get? Shall I get julie started on hand gel again? Should we just just for fun? But I mean, like rubbing that in your hands all the time, especially if you've got the option to just wash your hands, do that. Don't smother yourself in hand gel yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1:

Just wash your hands with normal soap and water. Yeah, which is exactly what I told my children to do during the thing that I'm fed up we're talking about now you know just go wash your hands in soap and water.

Speaker 1:

You don't need to put all those things on. But one of the areas that we're most concerned about with these pesticides and herbicides is the impact on estrogen. So we know that in our waters, that we've got this issue with fish changing sex because of the estrogen. Estrogen is a growth hormone, yeah, and we don't want too much growth, especially at certain times of our life, because growth means growth of other things that we don't want. But it means that nowadays we're living in a very estrogen dominant world and that impacts our fertility rates. It, yeah, it impacts our hormone balance. And look at our kids now, starting periods earlier, yeah, aren't they? Because of the oestrogen and everything.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, no, it's a scary picture. So, before we disappear into any more doom and gloom, what can we do about it?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, exactly what can we do. Can we do about it? Yeah, yeah, exactly what can we do? I think when we look at our food we've got to have an appreciation. There are a lot of chemicals and we want to try and minimize that. So we will put the link up for the clean 15 and the dirty dozen again, so you can actually have a look and see, you know, when you're trying to budget and work out what's the best thing. If you have, like me, got a child that loves cucumber and you know that cucumber is on that list, then buy organic cucumber if you can.

Speaker 1:

That's that's my first tip is, if you are in a position where you can buy organic and get a something like a river food or what's the other company there's a couple aren't there that do there's yeah, there's a couple of companies that are big companies that do organic deliveries of fruits and vegetables.

Speaker 2:

If you can do that, then I would definitely recommend it yeah or yeah, or make links with your, with your local green grocers and things they are often, they will often deliver stuff and and I mean, and if finances are an issue and we hear you having a look at that clean 15 and just choosing stuff from that instead?

Speaker 1:

yeah, and a lot of farms actually at the moment are looking to go organic, but the process takes longer. So there might be farms local to you that are on in the process but they're not certified organic yet and if they've got a farm shop and you can buy their produce, that can make a big difference yeah, and I think farm shops are actually often a little bit, a little bit cheaper.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, then we might. We might think from the, the supermarket, or from the boxes and things like that yeah, exactly, plastics are a big problem not just for our seas, yeah, and.

Speaker 1:

And general waste and rubbish everywhere, but plastics, things that are wrapped in plastic that contain fat, will draw the plastic chemicals into the produce. That's interesting so horrifying, but interesting so, yeah, we've got to be careful with cling film and cheese wrapped in plastic. Yeah.

Speaker 2:

I actually was slightly hopeful. The other day. I had to go and buy some cling film because I've just had a tattoo and I had to keep it covered up and normally, or like the last time I bought cling film was a long, long time ago there were shelves and shelves of it and there was literally two boxes of it. So I think that that shows that people are not buying it as much as they used to. Yeah, I think you're right and actually I remember you saying when I had my tattoo, you said make sure you're drinking plenty and flushing that out.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, because the dyes have got, you know, toxic chemicals in them. So cadmium is the one that you get through the tattoos and you don't want loads of that in your system.

Speaker 2:

So I did, I drank plenty and hopefully again, again. If you are supporting your body in in general, with nutrition, with hydration, with sleep, with movement, you are setting your body up to win, to be able to process the chemicals that you choose to ingest or have no choice yeah, exactly if you support your detoxification route, especially the liver, where we've got these different phases.

Speaker 1:

When we go through phase one, it makes things more toxic. We've got to be able to clear it, and lots of people fall down in that phase two of the liver clearance because they haven't got the amount of nutrition they need things like selenium, but of course these herbicides and pesticides are displacing those minerals that we actually need, so that food is not only full of chemicals but low in nutrition as well, yeah, which is really depressing and will make me want to cry. Come and tell us something good, julie.

Speaker 1:

So we're just going through the things that you can do to to reduce your load. Watch things like tinned goods. Now tinned goods can be really useful. I do use tinned goods, but once you've opened them and you expose the tin to the oxygen, then you're able. You know that aluminium or whatever's in the can is going to come out in the food, so don't store. You know that aluminium or whatever's in the can is going to come out in the food, so don't store. You know a half eaten tin of baked beans in the fridge fridge, yeah, yeah, get it out of there.

Speaker 2:

I've got, I got visions of when we used to go camping with my dad and him cooking. It's going to make come out in a cold sweat. Him cooking our actual beans, yeah, in the can, yeah and that would be normal.

Speaker 1:

But now we know we used to have a lot of aluminium cookware, didn't we? Yeah, but now we know that that is an issue and the same with things like lead pipe work for plumbing we now know that that's an issue and it's been gradually changed over, although there is still quite a lot of lead, which leads me to water.

Speaker 2:

Filter your water, yeah, do you filter your water when I remember to buy the filters.

Speaker 1:

Yes, when in my house it's when someone fills the jug up, because I'm the only one who seems to fill the jug up I nearly swore then mom, sorry, um, it's just, it's an.

Speaker 2:

Uh, it's one of them, ones that infuriates yeah, you, just you get there, you need the water and it's empty and you've got to wait for it to filter through again.

Speaker 1:

Exactly. It's frustrating, isn't it Using natural products where you can. So at the moment, if this is all new to you, then have a look at something like your shampoo that you're using on your hair when it's getting to the end of it you've looked at it. You can see that it's got parabens in it sodium lauryl sulfide. It's not good for you. Have a look and see if you can replace it with something more natural. And just because it says it's um simple or natural on the packaging does not mean anything. You've got to look at the labels to see where.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, if you can't pronounce half the things, it's not natural exactly.

Speaker 2:

You know, in a lot of these words, these chemicals, they're really really long yeah but that was when we were talking about this earlier and you were thinking about like chemical smells and things. That's like your. That's your first clue that that something's not quite right if it doesn't actually smell of something natural, like lavender or or lemon, although they they chemically. Um, add that too. But if it doesn't smell like that, then that's your. Your alarm bells should be going off already, yeah exactly and the same with the like.

Speaker 1:

Looking at your shampoo, look at your cleaning products. So the next time that you go to buy a cleaning product, bicarbonate of soda vinegar are the best cleaning products you can get. They're amazing and natural. So again, have a look at that, especially your washing up liquid. I think I spoke about that before, didn't I?

Speaker 1:

with the antibacterial washing oh, yes, yeah, yeah, you know when you wash up your bowl or your cup in the washing up liquid that's antibacterial, full of chemicals, and you put it on the drainer to dry, all of those chemicals are still on that. Yeah, you know that bowl or that cup and then you put your thing in it and then you eat it or drink it.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that goes into your gut and disturbs your gut microbiome yeah, and it's got direct access, then doesn't even need to go through the skin, it's straight in, yeah yeah, exactly so.

Speaker 1:

Looking at those kind of things and even little things that you wouldn't even necessarily think about, like when you're in your garden, using chemicals in your garden I see this all the time with people spraying stuff. I mean, the council comes up and sprays all our verges out here. It dries my husband up the wall, I bet it does. Why do you need to spray all that on there? And why do you need to chop all the wild flowers down in the summer? Have you noticed that some of the fields were left? Yeah, and now they've cut it all. Cut it all down at the point where all the bees and everything were in there. We're just gonna cut all that down, yeah, why? There's no need for it is there?

Speaker 2:

there's no need so there are loads and loads more really helpful tips on julie's blog that she's written about this and we'll stick. Should we stick that in the show notes as well?

Speaker 1:

yeah, let's do that. We put the clean 15 dirty dozen list up there, yeah, and I think I've even got a discount code for riverford, so I might stick that in there as well perfect.

Speaker 2:

That sounds good. So there's a lot. I think we've gone through a lot, so don't feel overwhelmed. Just choose one thing at a time. You can have a look at the dirty dozen and and the clean 15 maybe, and just when you're doing a food shopping list and when you are starting to look at new products as as things are running out, just start to make better, healthier, safer choices for you and your body, one thing at a time, because, I mean, we do completely understand that life is insanely busy and that this is all expensive. Actually, a lot of the products that are more natural like you were saying about the cleaning cleaning with vinegar and bicarb are probably much cheaper and probably better for the environment, because if you've got your own bottle to make things up in, then you don't have to keep having the having the disposable bottles and plastic yeah, exactly, and it's things like um products that you would use on your face or skin.

Speaker 1:

When you go to a more natural brand, you find that there's not 20 different products to do the same thing.

Speaker 2:

You can just use one, and use it everywhere yeah, and actually you find that it does exactly the same as all of the other wonder creams say that they do. And if you are hydrated, if you have slept well, if you have looked after your nutrition and you've moved more, chances are your skin will look better anyway from the inside out, absolutely Always from the inside out. Yeah, enjoy. Thank you for keeping us company today. If you enjoyed the podcast, don't forget to subscribe and leave a review.

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